Hollywood Sexual Harrassment/Assult Accusations

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Re: Hollywood Sexual Harrassment/Assult Accusations

Post by WOODMO » November 18th, 2017, 9:55 am

The incident is said to have taken place at what was then the Las Vegas Hilton in 1986, while Stallone was promoting the film Over the Top. According to the police report, the unnamed woman, who was staying at the hotel with her family, said she was given keys to a hotel room by the actor’s bodyguard, Michael De Luca. After having sex with Stallone there, the woman claimed that De Luca became involved in the encounter, at which point she became “very uncomfortable”.

The woman said there was no physical force involved in the incident, but she felt “intimidated” into having sex with the pair. “She became very uncomfortable with the situation. She states she did not want to have any type of sexual contact with the bodyguard, but felt she had no choice in the matter,” the report claims.

After the incident, “Stallone made the comment that they were both married men and that she could not tell anybody about the incident and if she did, that they would have to beat her head in”, according to the report.

Police noted that the woman was “extremely emotional” during their interview with her and had “difficulty in relating her thoughts”. She ultimately decided not to pursue charges against Stallone and De Luca because she felt “humiliated and ashamed” by the incident, the report states.
Even her claims are a crock of shit. She went to Sly's room, had sex with him willingly, by her own admission.

How exactly did she then feel she had no choice but to have sex with the bodyguard? There was no physical force, again by her own admission, and even her reported threats were only if she opened her mouth about having sex with them, never about doing it.

If anything she had sex with the bodyguard as payment for him hooking her up with Sly. That's groupie 101 and the entire crew usually benefits. I see no way it happened the way she said it.


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Re: Hollywood Sexual Harrassment/Assult Accusations

Post by Greg2600 » November 18th, 2017, 10:13 am

Franken certainly would be fine in Alabama, almost nothing disqualifies you down there.
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Post by AJLe » November 19th, 2017, 11:56 am

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November 18th, 2017, 10:13 am
Franken certainly would be fine in Alabama, almost nothing disqualifies you down there.
Well, considering that Franken's still in office after the photo went public and hasn't been forced to resign, apparently that behavior doesn't "disqualify" you in Minnesota either. Hell, killing a woman in a DWI didn't disqualify you from being a senator from Massachusetts for decades, and being a former KKK member and dropping the N-word on national TV didn't disqualify somebody from office in West Virginia for 30+ years.

Unfortunately, our entire country has a long history of selectively excusing terrible behavior based on political party affiliation. In both the cases of Franken and Moore, the people who are loyalists to their party will minimize, rationalize and excuse away their accusations and try to get/keep them in office, while loyalists to the other party will demand they step down. It's probably been that way since the founding fathers were alive.

Things will only get better when people stop treating political parties like they're hometown sports teams, and objectively run off ALL the shitty people from Washington based on their terrible actions alone - not based on whether they "play for the other team".

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Post by ICW » November 19th, 2017, 10:05 pm

Franken should resign. Moore should never be elected.

That said, Franken and Moore did not commit similar crimes. Moore's was significantly worse.
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Post by AJLe » November 19th, 2017, 11:19 pm

When it comes to sexual assault, comparing degree is irrelevant. If you commit it, you shouldn't be serving in the Senate.

The major difference between Franken and all of the other recently accused abusers is that there's definitive photographic proof that 100% supports what they accuser said happened, so there's not an "IF he's guilty" aspect to it. It's the same reason why Ray Rice was viewed a lot worse by the public than many of the other NFL domestic abusers - we could see him actually doing exactly what he was accused of.

And the irony is that the Democrats are hurting their own cause against Moore by not immediately forcing Franken out. It's makes it a lot harder to go on the news and make a "sexual assault accusations make you unfit to serve in the Senate" argument...when you're currently allowing a sexual assault perpetrator to serve in the Senate.

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Post by ICW » November 20th, 2017, 10:55 am

Star NYT report Glenn Thrush (big critic of Hillary Clinton and self-proclaimed "Trump whisperer" along w/Maggie Habberman, a conservative reporter for the Times):
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... harassment
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Post by ICW » November 20th, 2017, 10:58 am

Another woman speaking out against Franken:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnashrul ... tw#4ldqpfp

He's gotta go, Dems gotta boot him.
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Post by ICW » November 20th, 2017, 11:08 am

One of the more intriguing "side investigations" that could happen is an ethics investigation into Roger Stone. He apparently knew the Franken news was going to be reported beforehand (like he knew about the Podesta emails). Very curious to see how that plays out.
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Post by AJLe » November 20th, 2017, 11:53 am

If Democrats don't boot Franken, then having a side investigation on Stone would just give the Franken scandal a lot more legs in the press, and keep the pressure up for him to step down. Unless they're going to argue that the allegation was a complete fabrication and a political smear campaign by the GOP (which Franken himself isn't saying, and would be pretty hard to argue given the pic), I don't see the political benefits for Dems pushing for Stone hearings on this.

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Post by ICW » November 20th, 2017, 11:59 am

There's rumblings Stone is in Mueller's crosshairs, so it would be interesting to see if Mueller would look further into Stone's sources.

Is he still suspended from Twitter?
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Re: Hollywood Sexual Harrassment/Assult Accusations

Post by Greg2600 » November 20th, 2017, 12:10 pm

Franken is on his own I believe, but honestly why should he quit? Trump has 8 times the accusers and laughed it off (literally).

Russell Simmons calls his sex with minors consensual.....
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Re: Hollywood Sexual Harrassment/Assult Accusations

Post by WOODMO » November 20th, 2017, 12:48 pm

Greg2600 wrote:
November 20th, 2017, 12:10 pm
Franken is on his own I believe, but honestly why should he quit? Trump has 8 times the accusers and laughed it off (literally).

Russell Simmons calls his sex with minors consensual.....
17 is as legal in NY as 37 so minor or no minor, consent matters in this case.

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Re: Hollywood Sexual Harrassment/Assult Accusations

Post by AJLe » November 20th, 2017, 1:17 pm

Greg2600 wrote:
November 20th, 2017, 12:10 pm
Franken is on his own I believe, but honestly why should he quit? Trump has 8 times the accusers and laughed it off (literally).
If you have to defend a guy by saying "Look, at least he has fewer sexual assault victims than this other person does...", it's a sign you probably shouldn't be defending that guy. Once your number of victims goes higher than zero, you're already a shitty human being and shouldn't be involved in our government.

But even putting aside the moral and ethical implications of keeping Franken in office, from a purely political and/or credibility standpoint, how can any Democrat now claim in the media that the Trump or Moore accusations make them "unfit for office", without saying the same of Franken? As long as Franken's still in the Senate, it makes it pretty much impossible for Dems to really go hard after any Republican on any sexual allegations, since it's just going to keep fanning the flames of the Franken scandal right back on them.

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